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Yesterday 17:23 #590

Kay Hardwick

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Through your enterprise and help I have my FULL payment refunded even though Optical Express wanted keep back £500 as per their dodgy terms and conditions AND the refund would take 28 days!
But through your patience, (my computer skills are basic), you have guided me through my responses and I have £5000 back in my account and I feel happy and relieved that your site rang alarm bells.
Thank You my telephone friend and advocate - LADY/DAME Sasha you should be recognised for your tireless work and dedication!
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admin: Kay, it really was a pleasure to help you! We had fun on the way :kiss:
07 Sep 2021 13:26 #589

SuzanneC

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Thank you so much Sasha, I now have my £500 refunded in my account and confirmation that the finance agreement was cancelled. I made a very lucky escape and am so pleased not to have gone through with this surgery.
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!
30 Aug 2021 19:06 #588

Kay Hardwick

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Hi. I went for a free consultation at Optical Express in Sheffield on the 27th July and I was told I was suitable to have RLE NLR Multifocal surgery. I don't have cataracts but they told me that because I am 70 years old there was a high risk of developing them soon, but this surgery would mean I never need to worry about getting them in the future.
They booked me on the 21st October 2021 for surgery to take place in Nottingham. I wasn't told who the doctor was but have just found an email with details for Dr Jan Venter. I don't know if he was the person who phoned me for my clinician discussion on the 11th August.
But after seeing bad press in this Saturdays Daily Mail which led me to your site i was spooked and worried so I have sent an email today cancelling this procedure, though I didn't tell them the real reason.
I have already paid £5000 which includes the £500 booking fee but was informed that because of terms and conditions set out, £500 would be kept by Optical Express. Also the refund would take 28 days, whereas when they took the money over the phone it took all of 5 seconds.
Surely this arrangement is unfair and unjust? Can you please help me?
Thank You
Kay Hardwick


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admin: As you say, it was a free consultation and they have no right to keep any of your money now that you've cancelled, certainly not for 28 days.
The optom was wrong to say that you're at high risk of developing cataracts if there's no sign yet, and s/he must be reported to the GOC, as I will advise when we speak.
The 'clinician' was definitely not Jan Venter, it was an optometrist at best,.
Pls send your phone number and I will call you :kiss:
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23 Aug 2021 14:44 #587

Nora

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Update to post dated 10 Aug 2021 09:39
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Hi Sasha

Following your advice and emails sent to Optical Express, I also have been contacted by them and advised that even though I also 'apparently' cancelled too late, they are willing to give me my FULL refund and I got the money back!
Amazing! :-)

Scary to think I could have gone ahead with surgery, I am so so glad for your invaluable advice.
Many thanks for taking the time to help so many people.
Kind regards
Nora
16 Aug 2021 13:07 #586

SuzanneC

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My story.

I wrote to Sasha Rodoy on the 13 August:

'I have longed to get rid of wearing glasses and after a friend recomended Optical Express lens replacement in Manchester, I went for a consultation. They recomended me to have lens replacement surgery. I have paid £500 deposit and have signed a finance agreement to pay the rest over the next 10 months. My surgery is next Thursday and I am super nervous about this and started to google it today and came across your websites
www.opticalexpressruinedmylife.co.uk/
www.mybeautifuleyes.co.uk/
Which is starting to make me feel twice about this.
My friend still thinks her lens replacement was a good idea and says they are 100%, even though she had to go back and have laser surgery, 6 month after her lens replacement surgery to correct her distant vision caused by the way her eyes healed.
I guess I am looking for your opinion on lens replacement - Can it work? and if so which company would you recomend using? + any other advice you can give to me
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Sasha called me and told me about the real risks of this surgery, at OE or anywhere else, and that the industry is unregulated. I wasn't told the name of the surgeon when they booked me in so she advised me to write to Stephen Hannan and ask him for information, which I did with her help.
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From: Suzanne
Sent: 14 August 2021 10:33
To: ContactUs <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>; Stephen Hannan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: Re: Suzanne, your aftercare appointment is confirmed

Dear Mr Hannan

I found your contact details on the internet and understand that you are the clinical services director for Optical Express.

My lens exchange surgery is currently booked on the 19 August at Bridgewater Wellness Clinic in Manchester.

On the 12 July I received a call from someone in Northampton who asked if I'd read through the documents and then proceeded to obviously read from a script.

The call lasted just under eleven minutes, and quite frankly most of it went over my head, whilst I don't even know the name or position of the person who called me.

Of more concern is the fact that I have not been given the opportunity to speak with the surgeon or the team I will be detailing with before the day of my surgery, or was even provided with his name and credentials.

This has set off alarm bells for me and I am now reconsidering the advisability of proceeding with surgery.

I would therefore appreciate the following info;

1. Who is the surgeon?
2. Does he or Optical Express have any legal claims from his patients?
3. What was the name and position of the person who called me on the 12 July?
I look forward to your written response by return.

Regards
Suzanne C
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, 10:42 Stephen Hannan, <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.> wrote:

Dear Ms C

Thank you for your email.

You are scheduled under the care of Dr Manu Mathew. The Profile of Dr Mathew, a very experienced Ophthalmic Surgeon, can be found via the following link - About Your Laser Eye Surgeon | Manu Mathew | Optical Express.

We would be delighted to arrange for Dr Mathew to have a discussion with you prior to your day of surgery. In this regard I will have one of our team members engage you by telephone to make the appropriate arrangements.

I can see from your records that you underwent a Pre-Operative Consultation on 6th July 2021, followed by a second telemedicine based consultation with Mr Bhavik Parmar, an experienced General Optical Council Registered Optometrist.

Regards,

Stephen

Stephen Hannan BSc (Hons) MCOptom DipTp(IP)

Clinical Services Director

T: +44 (0)1236 795104 M: +44 (0)7740592389

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Sasha told me that she had a number of clients damaged by this doctor and some were suing him and Optical Express. I asked if I could speak to any of them and she introduced me to two people. Their horrific stories were enough for me to decide to cancel. But Sasha advised that I press Stephen Hannan for more information before cancelling in case I need to take legal action to get all my deposit refunded.
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From: Suzanne
Sent: 14 August 2021 12:18
To: Stephen Hannan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Cc: ContactUs <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: Re: Suzanne, your aftercare appointment is confirmed

Hi Stephen

Thanks for the information could you please let me know if Mr Mathew or optical express has any legal claims from his patients?

Many thanks
Suzanne
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On Sat, 14 Aug 2021, 14:17 Stephen Hannan, <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.> wrote:

Dear Ms C

Thank you for your email. We know of no court judgement or case that has been successfully found against Dr Mathew, relating to his work on behalf of Optical Express, or work out with Optical Express. I will ask Dr Mathew to discuss this matter with you further ahead of any procedure.

Regards,
Stephen
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From: suzanne C
Sent: 14 August 2021 18:04
To: Stephen Hannan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Cc: ContactUs <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: Re: Suzanne, your aftercare appointment is confirmed

Dear Mr Hannan

For the third time of asking, could you please let me know if Dr Mathew, and/or Optical Express, has any legal claims from his patients?

Please also tell me how many Optical Express patients have complained of problems after being fitted with Multi Focal lenses, and how many of these have issued legal proceedings that you are aware of, and how many of these were patients of Dr Matthew?

I am concerned that the information I have recently found, both online and from people I have spoken with in person, suggests that there is a significantly high number of complaining patients, which does not fill me with confidence.

However, before cancelling l would prefer to give you the benefit of the doubt, because I find it difficult to believe that you would have taken my money without disclosing this information.

Until you answer these questions honestly, without prevarication, then I have no wish to speak with Dr Mathew, and I look forward to your written response.

In the meantime, please do not arrange for anyone else to call me without my agreement.

Regards
Suzanne
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Today (Sunday): Early this morning I answered the phone to a mobile number I didn’t recognise and was shocked to discover it was Dr Manu Mathew, calling against my wishes made so clear to Stephen Hannan!
I didn't want to be rude so I asked him some of the questions I'd asked Stephen Hannan, but he was very unhelpful and told me I should ask Optical Express!

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From: Stephen Hannan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2021, 12:55
Subject: RE: Suzanne, your aftercare appointment is confirmed
To: suzanne
Dear Ms C

Thank you for your email. [14 August]

I understand you have now had a discussion with Dr Mathew. I trust that Dr Mathew answered any outstanding questions that you had. Dr Mathew confirmed you may wish to learn of the outcomes of other Ophthalmic Surgeons. I have included a link to the Profiles of all Surgeons that perform surgery on behalf of Optical Express here - Learn About Our Experienced Refractive Surgeons | Optical Express. The Profiles contain outcomes information. In addition we have published sever clinical papers in peer review journals, which can also be found on our website - Published Expert Optical Papers, Articles & Journals | Optical Express

Please let me know if I can be of any further assistance.

Regards,

Stephen

Stephen Hannan BSc (Hons) MCOptom DipTp(IP)

Clinical Services Director
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Update 19 August
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From: suzanne C
Sent: 16 August 2021 18:50
To: Stephen Hannan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>; ContactUs <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: Re: Suzanne, your aftercare appointment is confirmed

Dear Mr Hannan

I seem to be banging my head against a brick wall as you have again avoided answering my straight forward questions, paramount in my decision to continue with surgery.

You also ignored my explicit request that I had no wish to speak with Dr Mathew until you answered me honestly and without prevarication. Unfortunately I did not recognise the mobile number because otherwise I would not have taken his call, and certainly not happy to be disturbed in this way early on a Sunday morning. I had also told you not to arrange for anyone to call me without my agreement.

Dr Mathew was however either unable or reluctant to answer most of my questions and told me that I should ask you. You of course told me that I should ask him, so we seem to be going round in circles.

I questioned the success rate of Dr Mathew's operations and explained to him that I had spoken with some of his patients who weren’t happy. He said I should get them to contact Optical Express but I told him they’d gone past that point and were taking legal action.

He told me there was minimal risk, and not to worry about it, that he operates on between 12 to 17 patients per day. He told me 95% of his operations were successful, and that I would be able to drive the next day. Can he/you guarantee this, because what about the 5% he says are not a success?

I checked the Optical Express website and it advertises 99% success, so please tell me which figure is correct? Please do not direct me to Trustpilot for verification because this cannot be seriously accepted as a reliable source.

Dr Mathew was mistaken, I have no wish to learn of the outcomes of other Optical Express surgeons, I asked about the global results for Ophthalmic Surgeons.

You told me that you 'published sever clinical papers in peer review journals, which can also be found on our website - Published Expert Optical Papers, Articles & Journals | Optical Express’.

I checked your link and then googled the name of the contributors. Notably they are all connected to Optical Express!

For the fourth time of asking therefore:

1. Could you please let me know if Dr Mathew, and/or Optical Express, has any legal claims from his patients?

2. Please also tell me how many Optical Express patients have complained of problems after being fitted with Multi Focal lenses, and how many of these have issued legal proceedings that you are aware of, and how many of these were patients of Dr Matthew?

I look forward to your answers without further prevarication.

Regards
Suzanne
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By now Sasha told me he would have realised I was talking to her.
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From: Stephen Hannan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021, 10:39
Subject: RE: Suzanne, your aftercare appointment is confirmed
To: suzanne C

Dear Ms C

Thank you for your email.

As previously confirmed, we know of no legal judgement or case that has been successfully found against Dr Mathew, relating to his work on behalf of Optical Express, or work out with Optical Express.

I am aware Dr Mathew discussed a number of different matters with you on 15th August 2021, including the potential risks (complications and side effects), range of outcomes, vision correction alternatives to surgery and the benefits of the recommended procedure. Dr Mathew has confirmed that he discussed a small percentage of patients may go on to have a lens exchange procedure as a follow-on to the implantation of a multifocal IOL. As Dr Mathew confirmed, the vast majority of patients are satisfied with the outcome of the surgical procedure. This discussion with Dr Mathew was further to your Pre-Operative Consultation on 6th July 2021, during which an Informed Consent document was provided to you and a Clinician Discussion on 12th July 2021.

Please do let us know if you wish or do not wish to proceed with your planned surgical procedure. We are happy to arrange a further discussion with Dr Mathew should you wish this to be arranged, either by telephone or in-person, to discuss the other points that you raise.

Regards,
Stephen
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From: suzanne C
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021, 13:51
Subject: Re: Suzanne, your aftercare appointment is confirmed
To: Stephen Hannan <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>, Optical Express <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

Dear Mr Hannan

I am shocked at your lack of transparency and continued refusal to address my questions.

Given this, and other information I have sourced myself, I was obviously not fully informed by any means, and I intend to make a complaint about this and other issues to the GOC.

I cannot risk putting the health and safety of my eyes in the hands of anyone at Optical Express and therefore wish to cancel my surgery.

I look forward to your written confirmation that my deposit of £500 will be fully refunded within 48 hrs: if not, please accept this as pre action protocol before I pursue legal action.

Please also send confirmation that my finance agreement will be cancelled.

Thankfully I was able to speak with some of Dr Mathew’s damaged patients, and had confirmation that there are a number of cases currently in litigation with him and Optical Express, a fact you have gone to such lengths not to admit.

I look forward to your response by the end of day.

Regards
Suzanne
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Update 23 August: I sent a Subject Access Request on 19 August which has been acknowledged, but I have had no response from Mr Hannan to my refund request, or confirmation that my finance agreement has been cancelled, so it looks like I will be taking legal action!
10 Aug 2021 08:39 #585

Nora

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Hi Sasha,

I am looking from some advice on my Optical Express refund problems.

On the day of the consultation (July 17th) at Newbridge nobody informed me I had only 3 days to cancel for full refund and I felt pressured into paying this deposit after being given eyedrops which caused blurry vision as part of the tests.

I was told that monofocal lense replacement was the option to go for since my age is 44. I asked if this will enable me to work on computers without needing glasses, and i was told that I definitely would not need glasses for computer work.

When i got home and got to read the documentation booklets a few days after, I read that computer work WOULD still require glasses with this type of lense replacement so I decided this is not for me.

Then I tried to cancel my surgery and get my deposit back as I felt the lens type offered (Mono vision) for surgery would not make enough of a difference to my eyesight and definitely not worth the €9k [£7620] price tag.

I sent an email to cancel the surgery on July 28th since I could not get to speak with any staff member prior to this date.

Now I am told I will only be refunded half of the 500 euros deposit which i paid on the day of my consultation.

I was also asked to fill out patient review forms before any surgery or even a "Clinical Discussion" took place.

I assumed that like most other agreements I would have at least a 2 week cooling off period.

3 days is totally ridiculous as patients go through the consultation and have blurred vision at the end and need time to read through the documentation of which there is a lot.

Patients should be given more time to make informed decisions on such an important health matter.

I realise after finding your site that I am not alone in this!

Many thanks
Nora

This is the email I received after my consultation:


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admin: You are too young for lens replacement and should not have been offered lens exchange surgery, let alone sold it without even talking with a surgeon - yet another complaint for the GOC! Nor have they provided the name of your intended surgeon, and I suggest that you do leave a review!
I received your email and will call you :kiss:
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